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phibbsgraphics
10-16-2006, 05:33 PM
Occasionally when I RIP files in PS/M 7.1, where those files have been built with the lovely (lazy) drop shadows in InDesign CS or CS2 applied to text placed over either a Photoshop background or a solid CMYK colour in InDesign, what can best be described as "artifacts" appear behind or below the text. See examples at:

http://www.phibbs.ca/kodak/idcs_preps_psm_artifact1.JPG
http://www.phibbs.ca/kodak/idcs_preps_psm_artifact2.JPG

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Chris

barak.paltiel
10-16-2006, 06:33 PM
Hello Chris

Please put such file on

ftp://cilftp.creo.com
folder inkpro/incoming or public/incoming
Also please share the RIP setup.

And we'll have a look.

Best Regards

P. Barak

phibbsgraphics
10-16-2006, 07:14 PM
Hi Paltiel,
I uploaded a text file with our specs, as well as a screenshot of PS/M, and the imposed PS file that I output from Preps 4.2.3 (although it says it's going to be about an hour remaining)
Please let me know if you need to see anything else.
Thanks for any help.
Chris

tjaeger
10-16-2006, 07:45 PM
Hi Chris,

I've had this problem when I would use Preps 4.2.3 to send a PDF <-> PDF file to my ColorBurst RIP. It would come and go..depending on where they used the "lazy" drop shadow. *BUT* it wouldn't show up on our Adobe based Trueflow RIP 3.12 when doing a PDF <-> PS workflow.... Our Colorburst RIP is using a JAWS/Harlequin interpreter..so I figure it wasn't doing the transparency correct. *shrug*

-TimJ

Hi Paltiel,
I uploaded a text file with our specs, as well as a screenshot of PS/M, and the imposed PS file that I output from Preps 4.2.3 (although it says it's going to be about an hour remaining)
Please let me know if you need to see anything else.
Thanks for any help.
Chris

phibbsgraphics
10-16-2006, 08:35 PM
Paltiel,
wow... that was a LONG "hour". either your FTP server is extremely slow, or other people in my company are busy downloading "unmentionables" and choking our bandwidth.
either way, teh Postscript file is uploaded. if you need anything further from me let me know.
Chris

phibbsgraphics
10-16-2006, 08:43 PM
Hi Chris,

I've had this problem when I would use Preps 4.2.3 to send a PDF <-> PDF file to my ColorBurst RIP. It would come and go..depending on where they used the "lazy" drop shadow. *BUT* it wouldn't show up on our Adobe based Trueflow RIP 3.12 when doing a PDF <-> PS workflow.... Our Colorburst RIP is using a JAWS/Harlequin interpreter..so I figure it wasn't doing the transparency correct. *shrug*

-TimJ
Hi Tim,
Thanks for the suggestion. However, I'm going straight PS > PS, no PDF whatsoever (call me old-school).
The closest I can figure is that the images placed in InDesign, combined with the rasterization of the drop shadows, makes for some FREAKING HUGE files, so my poor old Preps 4 and/or PS/M 7 are choking on them, and doing the best they can with it.
Ideally, I need budgetary freedom to upgrade software, but alas all of the management/ownership here is a family, so that won't likely happen soon. In the meantime, I make do. And wait. And watch spinning beachballs and twirling watches. And wait some more.
Chris

barak.paltiel
10-17-2006, 06:32 PM
Hello Chris

That is called "Israeli Hour"....but best to compress before send.

Using your file with the these additional settings (PSM 7.1):
1)Postscript overprint MUST be checked for transparencies.
2)LW res 100, CT res 12.5 - best to have LW/CT integer number
(In this case 8) or 20 (5) and maybe 16.666666 (6)
3)In FAF we had "Frame towards CT" checked.

Please let me know if it helps on your end.

Best Regards

P. Barak

PS-Do you have control over the way the PS file is saved from
InDesign?

phibbsgraphics
10-18-2006, 04:38 PM
Thanks Paltiel. I shall try your suggestions.
Yes. I have full control over the PS output from InDesign. Here's a summary of my settings:

Print Preset: PS Files
Printer: PostScript® File
PPD: Device Independent
PPD File: N/A

General
Copies: 1
Collate: N/A
Reverse Order: Off
Pages: N/A
Sequence: All Pages
Spreads: Off
Print Master Pages: Off
Print Non-printing Objects: On
Print Blank Pages: On
Print Visible Guides and Baseline Grids: N/A

Setup
Paper Size: N/A
Paper Width: N/A
Paper Height: N/A
Page Orientation: N/A
Paper Offset: N/A
Paper Gap: N/A
Transverse: N/A
Scaling: N/A
Constrain Proportions: N/A
Page Position: N/A
Thumbnails: N/A
Tiling: N/A

Marks and Bleed
Crop Marks: On
Bleed Marks: Off
Registration Marks: Off
Color Bars: Off
Page Information: Off
Printer Mark Type: Default
Crop Mark Weight: 0.25 pt
Mark Offset from Page: 0.5 in
Use Document Bleed Settings: Off
Bleed Top: 0.25 in
Bleed Bottom: 0.25 in
Bleed Left: 0.25 in
Bleed Right: 0.25 in
Include Slug Area: Off

Output
Color: Composite CMYK
Text As Black: N/A
Trapping: N/A
Flip: N/A
Negative: N/A
Screening: N/A
Simulate Overprint: Off

Graphics
Send Data: All
Download: Complete
Download PPD Fonts: N/A
PostScript®: Level 3
Data Format: Binary

Color Management
Document Profile: U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2
Color Handling: Let InDesign Determine Colors
Printer Profile: Document CMYK
Preserve CMYK Numbers: On
Proof Profile: N/A
Simulate Paper Color: N/A

Advanced
OPI Image Replacement: Off
EPS: Off
PDF: Off
Bitmap Images: Off
Transparency Flattener Preset: [High Resolution]
Ignore Spread Overrides: Off

Chris