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kcoffman
02-01-2008, 07:03 PM
I'm wondering how many Preps Pro Users use more than 1 or 2 of the 6 specific features of Preps Pro.

Multiple Sections
Web Growth Compensation
CIP3 Cutter Data
OPI
DCS Merging
Interactive Ganging

I was recently investigating the upgrade cost to go from Preps Plus to Preps Pro, as I have a need with one customer for the multiple sections feature. At $3000 per copy to upgrade from Preps Plus to Pro, I can't justify for just use of the one feature.

I'm proposing that Kodak looks at licensing specific features, just like is done with Prinergy. It only makes sense, as most users are not going to need more than a few of the features, and who wants to pay for things that are not needed. I believe $750 to $1000 per copy for multiple sections would be reasonable, but that's just my opinion.

What is everyone else's opinion on this?

lee
02-04-2008, 01:47 PM
I use the multiple sections fairly often.
Used to use OPI regularly but not anymore.
Do not use any of the others.

jamie.stotz
02-04-2008, 03:59 PM
We use multiple sections because we have some layouts that need them and because we have Upfront. We survived for many years without it and probably wouldn't have upgraded if it hadn't been included with the UpFront purchase. I could never understand why in wasn't included as part of the basic program and multiple webs wasn't the extra feature.

We have never had a use for the DCS or OPI features.

We haven't used web growth but it's in Prinergy also so it wouldn't be needed anyway.

Our cutters don't support Cip3 cutter data but maybe some day they will.

I like the ganging but haven't really used it. I think that it is a good start for the complete rewrite of the template editor.

I think they should do this:

-- Split the template editor and the print engine into separate products. This would allow people to buy a different number of seats of the template editor and the print engine.
-- Build enough bits into Prinergy to allow Prinergy users to only need the template editor. We should be able to add a template directly into Prinergy and have it refined at output time. We shouldn't need to buy the whole print engine just to make a PJTF with blank pages.
-- Combine the ganging with the regular template editor. Most printers need an occasional gang layout.
-- Include multiple sections in all versions
-- Sell Cip3, DCS, and OPI as plugins.

vinnyfalcone
02-04-2008, 04:16 PM
Kenny,
Take a good hard look at Lithoteknics Metrix. The manual process of creating a layout in Preps Plus or Pro is so yesterday compared to Metrix.

You can gang multiple folding sections or flat items and import them directly to Prinergy. You can also import JDF from your MIS to get the layout started according to your estimate.

Go to www.lithotechnics.com and get a WebEx Demo set up. You'll never miss Preps.

kcoffman
02-04-2008, 04:42 PM
Vinny- I'll have to take a look at metrix. I heard they may have added some feature since when you looked at it here.
I think they should do this:

-- Split the template editor and the print engine into separate products. This would allow people to buy a different number of seats of the template editor and the print engine.
-- Build enough bits into Prinergy to allow Prinergy users to only need the template editor. We should be able to add a template directly into Prinergy and have it refined at output time. We shouldn't need to buy the whole print engine just to make a PJTF with blank pages.
-- Combine the ganging with the regular template editor. Most printers need an occasional gang layout.
-- Include multiple sections in all versions
-- Sell Cip3, DCS, and OPI as plugins.
Jamie- I really like your ideas about where licensing should go with Preps. I second your recommendations. I hope to make it to the GUA conference to bring it up.

johnny_jay
02-07-2008, 09:12 PM
We use sectioning almost daily and we export cutting data for all jobs where it applies.

kcoffman
02-07-2008, 09:41 PM
I get from everyone that has replied that what I thought is right. That most people only use a few of the features in Preps Pro. So what I'm wondering now is if someone from Kodak will actually take a look at this now? I really liked Jamie's ideas. But if nothing else, I think Kodak should rethink how this product is licensed, sell these as licensed features, not as a lump sum package. I refuse to pay $3000 x 2 copies here for multiple sections that I am smart enough to work around. If Kodak can't do the smart thing here. I'll continue to do my work around and just ask for a pay raise, say $3000 :) Or maybe the next time my Kodak salesperson comes in here asking me to do a favor for him (like processing test files for possible Prinergy upgrade clients), maybe I'll tell him, for a greatly discounted Preps Pro upgrade.

Our GUA President, Thomas Clifford, has some pull. Tom, Can you get someone to address this?

Kodak, please take care of me, I take care of you!